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REGELFRåGOR Tezzeret's Gambit... Thran Lens ...
Pariah + Planeswalker
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Pariah + Planeswalker 15:03:11, 2/4 -12  
Satt och funderade lite på hur det blir om man har en Pariah som redirectar skadan man tar till en Tarpan men också en Venser, the Sojourner i spel.

Om motståndaren vill anfalla mig och redirecta skadan till Venser, kan jag då välja vilken ordning stacken ska läggas så skadan redirectas till Tarpan istället?

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1. Man kan inte redirecta combat ... 15:18:50, 2/4 -12  
Man kan inte redirecta combat damage från spelare till en planeswalker på det sättet. Motståndaren måste anfalla Venser direkt istället.


 
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2. OM man med instantfart sätter ... 16:03:31, 2/4 -12  
OM man med instantfart sätter en Pariah på en Gideon Jura (efter att attackers declare) som är en creature, då går det va?
 
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3. Bara så jag förstår frågan kor... 16:16:41, 2/4 -12  
psykopatmullvad skrev 16:03, 2/4 -12 OM man med instantfart sätter en Pariah på en Gideon Jura (efter att attackers declare) som är en creature, då går det va?

Bara så jag förstår frågan korrekt:

Jag blir anfallen av ett valfritt djur, har en Gideon i spel, samt en Tarpan med Pariah. I instant speed lyckas jag både får Gideon till en varelse, samt lägga en Pariah på den. Är det så du menar?

Det som händer är att det kommer vara två replacement effects som försöker modifiera samma event, nämligen att jag ska ta skada. Jag får då välja vilken effekt som tar vid först. Om den andre sedan fortfarande är applicerbar (vilket den nästan aldrig är, så inte heller i det här fallet) så händer den efteråt.

Det är den spelare eller controller av den permanent som påverkas som bestämemr vilken replacement effect som tar vid först.


Extra:
Observera att det finns ingenting i denna regelfråga som har med stacken att göra.
 
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4. Kan det vara så att trådskapar... 17:14:28, 2/4 -12  
Kan det vara så att trådskaparen menade att motståndaren vill lägga t.ex. en Lightning Bolt och redirecta dennas skada till Venser, the Sojourner? Om man läser frågan så, vad blir då svaret?
 
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5. 306.7. If noncombat damage wou... 10:57:40, 3/4 -12  
306.7. If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead. This is a redirection effect (see rule 614.9) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering replacement effects (see rule 616). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the redirection effect is applied.


614.9. Some effects replace damage dealt to one creature, planeswalker, or player with the same damage dealt to another creature, planeswalker, or player; such effects are called redirection effects. If either creature or planeswalker is no longer on the battlefield when the damage would be redirected, or is no longer a creature or planeswalker when the damage would be redirected, the effect does nothing. If damage would be redirected to or from a player who has left the game, the effect does nothing.

616. Interaction of Replacement and/or Prevention Effects
616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object’s controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).
616.1a If any of the replacement and/or prevention effects are self-replacement effects (see rule 614.15), one of them must be chosen. If not, proceed to rule 616.1b.
616.1b If any of the replacement and/or prevention effects would modify under whose control an object would enter the battlefield, one of them must be chosen. If not, proceed to rule 616.1c.
616.1c If any of the replacement and/or prevention effects would cause an object to become a copy of another object as it enters the battlefield, one of them must be chosen. If not, proceed to rule 616.1d.
616.1d Any of the applicable replacement and/or prevention effects may be chosen.
616.1e Once the chosen effect has been applied, this process is repeated (taking into account only replacement or prevention effects that would now be applicable) until there are no more left to apply.
Example: Two permanents are on the battlefield. One is an enchantment that reads “If a card would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, instead exile it,” and the other is a creature that reads “If [this creature] would be put into a graveyard from the battlefield, instead shuffle it into its owner’s library.” If the creature is destroyed, its controller decides which replacement to apply first; the other does nothing.
Example: Essence of the Wild reads “Creatures you control enter the battlefield as a copy of Essence of the Wild.” A player who controls Essence of the Wild casts Rusted Sentinel, which normally enters the battlefield tapped. As it enters the battlefield, the copy effect from Essence of the Wild is applied first. As a result, it no longer has the ability that causes it to enter the battlefield tapped. Rusted Sentinel will enter the battlefield as an untapped copy of Essence of the Wild.
616.2. A replacement or prevention effect can become applicable to an event as the result of another replacement or prevention effect that modifies the event.
Example: One effect reads “If you would gain life, draw that many cards instead,” and another reads “If you would draw a card, return a card from your graveyard to your hand instead.” Both effects combine (regardless of the order they came into existence): Instead of gaining 1 life, the player puts a card from his or her graveyard into his or her hand.
 
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6. Kort och gott: Du som control... 10:59:42, 3/4 -12  
Kort och gott:
Du som controller får välja om Pariah eller Planeswalkerregeln ska ta vid först. Om du väljer Planeswalker så får din motståndare välja om du eller motståndaren får skadan. Väljer han/hon dig, så tar Pariah vid och Tarpan dör.
 
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