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joli13
6 rubriker, 67 svar
Medlem
Ljungby
@svm s. 27/12 -12
Boardstate info 00:03:39, 20/5 -26
 
Tjena, vi sitter och groggar och lirar magic. Min elaka kusin anfaller med buffade eldrazi, jag frågar hur stora dom är och han svarar räkna själv.

Detta ledde oss in i en timme diskussion med ai om det är okay beteende vid turneringsspel, casual såhär så borde han kölhalas såklart.

Alltså, får man i turneringsspel säga räkna själv?

Mvh. Johan och Viktor
 
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caitlin
33 rubriker, 820 svar
Medlem
@svm s. 18/6 -03
Jag frågade också AI, eftersom jag inte kan (nästan) någonting om officiella regler, och det verkar bero på situationen.

Om det är relativt enkla interaktioner som du kan förväntas följa, då verkar det vara ett helt okej svar att ge. Frågar du däremot om ett klargörande kring en combo (eller liknande) förväntas däremot din motståndare svara ärligt eller tillkalla domare för att själv slippa göra en tankevurpa.

Huruvida detta stämmer till hundra procent eller ej vet jag så klart inte, men jag tycker det låter rimligt.
 
Det var bättre förr. Ju förr desto bättre.
Forsman89
20 rubriker, 151 svar
Medlem
Göteborg
@svm s. 21/10 -08
Det är väl den här regeln som gäller. Sen är det säkert olika vad som är "Free Information "och "Derived" beroende på nivå av "REL" (Rules enforcement level) men det vet jag inte exakt vad som gäller.

Motståndaren måste inte hjälpa dig spela spelet men är ju viktigt att triggers osv announcas så att det underlättar att räkna. På casual-nivån är i alla fall the jury out = "dålig kusin".

4.1 Player Communication
Communication between players is essential to the successful play of any game that involves virtual objects or
hidden information. While bluffing may be an aspect of games, there need to be clear lines as to what is, and is
not, acceptable for players to say or otherwise represent. This will confirm expectations of both sporting and
competitive players during a game.
A player should have an advantage due to better understanding of the options provided by the rules of the game,
greater awareness of the interactions in the current game state, and superior tactical planning. Players are under no
obligation to assist their opponents in playing the game. Regardless of anything else, players are expected to treat
opponents politely and with respect. Failure to do so may lead to Unsporting Conduct penalties.

There are four categories of information: status, free, derived, and private.

Status information is information that must be announced upon change and physically tracked by the affected
player. Methods for tracking must be visible to both players during the match. A shared method is acceptable as
long as all players in the match have access to it. At Competitive and Professional REL, methods that can easily
be accidentally changed (such as dice) may not be used. Status information consists of:
• Life total.
• Counters a player has attached to them.
• Continuous effects with no defined expiration within the game that apply to that player, such as Monarch
or City’s Blessing.
• Unspent mana in a player’s mana pool.
• Location in a dungeon.
• How many times the Ring has tempted a player.
• Current speed.

Free information is information to which all players are entitled access without contamination or omissions made
by their opponents. If a player is ever unable or unwilling to provide free information to an opponent that has
requested it, they should call a judge and explain the situation. Free information consists of:
• Details of current game actions and past game actions that still affect the game state.
• The name of any visible object.
• The number and type of any counter that isn’t defined as status information.
• The state (whether it’s tapped, attached to another permanent, face down, etc.) and current zone of
any object or player.
• The game score of the current match.
• The current step and/or phase and which player(s) are active.

Derived information is information to which all players are entitled access, but opponents are not obliged to assist
in determining and may require some skill or calculation to determine. Derived information consists of:
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• The number of any kind of objects present in any game zone that are not defined as free information.
• All characteristics of objects in public zones that are not defined as free or status information.
• Game Rules, Tournament Policy, Oracle content and any other official information pertaining to the
current tournament. Cards are considered to have their Oracle text printed on them.

Private information is information to which players have access only if they are able to determine it from the
current visual game state or their own record of previous game actions.
• Any information that is not status, free or derived is automatically private information.
The following rules govern player communication:
• Players must announce any changes to status information about themselves and must represent it with
a physical designation.
• If a player notices a discrepancy in recorded or announced status information, they are expected to
point it out as soon as the discrepancy is noticed.
• Players must answer all questions asked of them by a judge completely and honestly, regardless of the
type of information requested. Players may request to do so away from the match.
• Players may not represent derived, free, or status information incorrectly.
• Players must answer completely and honestly any specific questions pertaining to free information.
• At Regular Rules Enforcement Level, all derived information is instead considered free.
Judges are encouraged to help players in determining free and status information but must avoid assisting players
with derived information about the game state.
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fjodorsascha
3 rubriker, 63 svar
Medlem
Uppsala
@svm s. 14/5 -18
Fråga aldrig AI om regelfrågor, det är stor risk att det blir fel. Det klara svaret för competitive REL kan man se i Tournament Rules 4.1

"Free information is information to which all players are entitled access without contamination or omissions made by their opponents. If a player is ever unable or unwilling to provide free information to an opponent that has requested it, they should call a judge and explain the situation. Free information consists of:
• Details of current game actions and past game actions that still affect the game state.
• The name of any visible object.
• The number and type of any counter that isn’t defined as status information.
• The state (whether it’s tapped, attached to another permanent, face down, etc.) and current zone of any object or player.
• The game score of the current match.
• The current step and/or phase and which player(s) are active.

Derived information is information to which all players are entitled access, but opponents are not obliged to assist in determining and may require some skill or calculation to determine. Derived information consists of:
• The number of any kind of objects present in any game zone that are not defined as free information.
• All characteristics of objects in public zones that are not defined as free or status information.
• Game Rules, Tournament Policy, Oracle content and any other official information pertaining to the current tournament. Cards are considered to have their Oracle text printed on them."

Du behöver inte hjälpa motståndaren att räkna ut hur mycket total skada du attackerar för. Du behöver dock vara uppriktig med P/T på enskilda gubbar du attackerar med. T.ex. kan du säga att "jag attackerar med tre 1/1or och två 3/3or" men du behöver inte säga "jag attackerar för nio skada".

Om du spelar Giant Growth på din Grizzly Bear och din motståndare frågar "är det en 5/5a?" behöver du inte svara "ja". Du måste däremot svara att "det är en 2/2a som jag har spelat Giant Growth på". Motståndaren får själv räkna ut vad 2+3 är.

Notera igen att detta är vad som gäller på Comp REL. På regular och nedåt är derived information även free information och måste meddelas.
 
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joli13
6 rubriker, 67 svar
Medlem
Ljungby
@svm s. 27/12 -12
Ah tack snälla för utförligt svar!
 
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